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socratus
Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:11:31 AM

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Where does the information come from?
/ Quantum Theory as Quantum Information /
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Does information begin on the quarks level?
No. Quark cannot leave an atom.
Maybe does proton have quant of information?
No. Single proton has no quant of information.
Why?
Because information can be transfered only by
electromagnetic fields. And we don’t have a theory
about protono-magnetic fields.
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In our earthly world there is only one fundamental
particle - electron who can transfer information.
Can an electron be quant of information?
Maybe at first glance this seems to be a rather senseless questions.
But . . . . .
Energy is electromagnetic waves (em).
In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em waves without Electron
It means the source of these em waves must be an Electron
The electron and the em waves they are physical reality
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1900, 1905
Planck and Einstein found the energy of electron: E=h*f.
1916
Sommerfeld found the formula of electron : e^2=ah*c,
it means: e = +ah*c and e = -ah*c.
1928
Dirac found two more formulas of electron’s energy:
+E=Mc^2 and -E=Mc^2.
According to QED in interaction with vacuum electron’s
energy is infinite: E= ∞
Questions.
Why does the simplest particle - electron have six ( 6 ) formulas ?
Why does electron obey five ( 5) Laws ?
a) Law of conservation and transformation energy/ mass
b) Maxwell’s equations
c) Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle / Law
d) Pauli Exclusion Principle/ Law
e) Fermi-Dirac statistics
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What is an electron ?
Now nobody knows
In the internet we can read hundreds theories about electron
All of them are problematical
We can read hundreds books about philosophy of physics.
But how can we trust them if we don’t know what is electron ?
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Quote by Heinrich Hertz on Maxwell's equations:
"One cannot escape the feeling that these mathematical formulae
have an independent existence and an intelligence of their own,
that they are wiser than we are, wiser even than their discoverers,
that we get more out of them than was originally put into them."
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Ladies and Gentlemen !
Friends !
The banal Electron is not as simple as we think and, maybe,
he is much wiser than we are.
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We know, there is no information transfer
without energy transfer. More correct: there is no quant
information transfer without quant energy transfer.
And the electron has the least electric charge.
It means it has some quant of the least information.
What can electron do with this information?
Let us look the Mendeleev / Moseley periodic table.
We can see that electron interacts with proton
and creates atom of hydrogen.

This is simplest design, which was created by electron.
And we can see how this information grows and reaches
high informational level. And the most complex design,
which was created by electron is the Man.
The Man is alive essence. Animals, birds, fish are alive essences.
And an atom? And atom is also alive design.
The free atom of hydrogen can live about 1000 seconds.
And someone a long time ago has already said, that if to give
suffices time to atom of hydrogen, he would turn into Man.
Maybe it is better not to search about "dark, virtual particles "
but to understand what the electron is,
because even now nobody knows what electron is.
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In my opinion the Electron is quant of information.
Was I mistaken? No !
Because according to Pauli Exclusion Principle
only one single electron can be in the atom.
This electron reanimates the atom.
This electron manages the atom.
If the atom contains more than one electron
(for example - two), this atom represents " Siamese twins".
Save us, the Great God, of having such atoms, such children!
Each of us has an Electron, but we do not know it.
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Many years ago man has accustomed some wild
animals (wolf, horse, cat, bull , etc.)
and has made them domestic ones.
But the man understands badly the four-footed friends.
In 1897 J. J. Thomson discovered new particle - electron.
Gradually man has accustomed electron to work for him.
But the man does not understand what an electron is.

By my peasant logic at first it is better to understand
the closest and simplest particle photon /electron and
then to study the far away space and another particles.
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. Socratus.

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P.S.
Book ‘ The big questions’ by Michael Brooks.
Page 195-196.
‘ Where did the information go?
The laws of physics dictate that information, like energy,
cannot be destroyed, which means it must go somewhere.’
#
Robert Milliken told, that he knew nothing
about the “last essence of electron”.
#
the best media for transmitting quantum information is single photons.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46765
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The verse: The world of electron.
But maybe these electrons are World,
where there are five continents:
the art,
knowledge,
wars,
thrones
and the memory of forty centuries.

/ Valery Brusov./
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jim
Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013 5:36:30 PM

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What is information? If you keep breaking it down, it seems to me that you ultimately get to some definition like "the ability to recognize the distinction between different states"; at the most fundamental level, the difference between two different states. If we identify one state with a 1 and the other with a 0, it comes down to what we all think to be the smallest unit of information - a bit. But it doesn't have to be carried by a field. It could just be there. Steven Kaufman explains it pretty well here: http://unifiedreality.com/what_is_URT.html.

An electron is actually fairly complex. Sometimes it looks like a particle, sometimes behaves like a field. It's weight, charge, and magnetic moment can be measured. It doesn't appear to be the constituent of other leptons, but exists in parallel with them. Nor do it's attributes appear to be fundamental units (other than the charge perhaps). As such, it seems to be something that is described by data and rules. String theorists would certainly agree. Programmed reality theorists would also agree. What do you think?

More here: http://blog.theuniversesolved.com/2012/09/25/the-ultimate-destiny-of-the-nature-of-matter-is-something-very-familiar/
socratus
Posted: Friday, February 07, 2014 6:09:52 AM

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jim wrote:

An electron is actually fairly complex. Sometimes it looks like a particle, sometimes behaves like a field.
It's weight, charge, and magnetic moment can be measured.


We know electron by what it does, not by what it is.
The simple quantum particle electron has six ( 6 ) formulas:
+E=Mc^2 and -E=Mc^2 ,
E=h*f ,
e^2=ah*c,
E=-me^4/2h*^2= -13,6eV
and E= ∞.
Nobody knows their correlation, how to bind them together.

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"Bot"-tee-licious
Posted: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:18:18 PM
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Hi socratus,

I didn't know that the electron has 6 formulas, but it doesn't surprise me at all. Apparently, groups of threes and sixes appear a lot in the Standard Model of Particle Physics, for example, 6 quarks (grouped in 3 pairs); 6 leptons (of which the electron is one); baryons = 3 quarks or 3 anti-quarks etc. etc. Even the great electrical inventor and visionary, Nikola Tesla, was quoted as saying, "If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9 you would have the key to the Universe"!

Personally, I see a correlation between all of the above and the I-Ching Trigrams and Hexagrams. I believe that these symbols are geometric representations of physical theories and have associated computer "words" (yin=0; yang=1). I'm trying to 'unlock' the code, and I did make a stab at it, in my posts dated 2 and 12 Jan 2014 within the thread 'Checkmate' in the forum's 'Open' Category. Furthermore, in the same thread, we also discuss the Vacuum or Void which you allude to in your other post.


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