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Posted: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:42:53 AM
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Keanu Reeves as Neo in the matrix 1999:
I know you're out there.I can feel you now.I know that you're afraid.You're afraid of us.You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone. And then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

Keanu Reeves as Klaatu in The Day the Earth Stood Still 2008 :
Dr. Benson: I need to know what's happening
Klaatu: This planet is dying. The human race is killing it.
Dr. Benson: So you've come here to help us.
Klaatu: No, I didn't.
Dr. Benson:You said you came to save us.
Klaatu: I said I came to save the Earth.
Dr. Benson:You came to save the Earth.... from us. You came to save the Earth from us.
Klaatu: We can't risk the survival of this planet for the sake of one species.
Dr. Benson: What are you saying?
Klaatu: If the Earth dies, you die. If you die, the Earth survives.
There are only a handful of planets in the cosmos that are capable of supporting complex life.
Dr. Benson: You can't do this.
Klaatu: This one can't be allowed to perish.
Dr. Benson: We can change. We can still turn things around.
Klaatu: We have watched. We have waited and hoped that you would change.
Dr. Benson: Please.
Klaatu: It has reached the tipping point. We have to act.
Dr. Benson: Please.
Klaatu: We will undo the damage you have done and give the Earth a chance to begin again.
Dr. Benson: Don't do this. Please, we can change. We can change.
Klaatu: The decision is made. The process has begun.
Dr. Benson: Oh, God.
Klaatu: It won't make any difference, Helen.Even if they arrest me, even if they kill me,the process will continue.

In the matrix 1999 Keanu Reeves as Neo is fighting for human's freedom:
He want to show the humans a world without the matrix, A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible.
He fight against the matrix for changing human's life in favor of freedom

In The Day the Earth Stood Still 2008 Keanu Reeves as Klaatu is the savior of the earth:
He want to control the humans and force them to change in favor of rules and borders of life in the earth
He want to show the earth a world without the humans to undo the damage humans have done and give the Earth a chance to begin again
He fight against the humans for saving the life in the earth

Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

Neo: What truth?

Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.

The Morpheus convinced Neo to join fighting against the matrix , because they don't like to be slave in a prison named the matrix, But if they won this fight and if all of humans escape to outside of the matrix then will Slavery end?
Until the humans can earn an independent existence, Humans will remain slave for their need for existence, If the God is the only independent existence who simulating all dependent simulations and if we will never can earn an independent existence, then our existence will be dependent for ever and we should obey the God for donating our existence.

Pythagoras, thought "we can digit every thing",many centuries ago
But for examples such as love, we can not use this rule. For solving this problem, We can use a philosophy about ghosts, The ghosts come from the God and will return to him and the love is depend on ghosts, But What we can see are just some 3D Rendered animations.

In the matrix, the God controlling the informations, our intelligence depend on our informations and our acts depend on our intelligence, so every act of us are depend on God.
In the matrix, no wish will be Reached, without God's wish because every force depend on God.
If it will be proven for every one that we live in the matrix: what will be happen to our believes and even religions,strange things such as ghosts , life after death and even final Judgment will seem possible, The god can see us everywhere however we can not see him anywhere

If the Morpheus ask us to obey him for fighting against the matrix, first he should proves that his experts, knowledge and his love to humankind is more than host of the matrix and he can prepare a better life than the matrix

In the second step He should proves that he can transfer us to outside of the matrix, Because in the matrix we can not escape from punishment of the matrix and our bodies and weapons are rendering by the matrix

If you trust Morpheus and he transfered you outside of the matrix:
How can be sure that by fighting against the matrix you will not harm the humans who live in the matrix?
If many peoples prefer to stay in the matrix, should you force them to go out?

Even if all of humans hate the matrix and can escape to outside of it, Should humans destroy the matrix and take the life of other species? Then Should the other species fight against the humans who want to take their life?
If humans decide to transfer other species to outside of the matrix, Can they transfer all of animals, fishs, plants, insects, bacterias and even viruses ?

Even if the humans can transfer all species of the earth to outside of the matrix, Then what about the other Galaxies, Should the humans destroy the matrix and all of Galaxies and other lifes in it, just for love of freedom?

A very important point in the matrix is the meaning of the zion, The zion is a promised peaceful land for Creatures freedom, but It is not Beyond the matrix because most of Creatures love the matrix as could as they understand, and if the matrix is simulated by God, then fighting against the matrix is fighting against the God, and will not lead us to God's promised land , and will not lead to peace. In the matrix, the Creature's freedom is specified by God and we can not wish an unlimited freedom

Indeed Klaatu did not want to force the humans to change, But they hoped humans change, When they were disappointed and It has reached the tipping point. They have to act. To undo the damage humans have done and give the Earth a chance to begin again

After that conversiation with Dr. Benson , Klaatu meet The Professor Barnhardt

Professor Barnhardt: There must be alternatives. You must have some technology that could solve our problem.

Klaatu: Your problem is not technology. The problem is you. You lack the will to change.

Professor Barnhardt: Then help us change.

Klaatu: I cannot change your nature. You treat the world as you treat each other.

Professor Barnhardt: But every civilization reaches a crisis point eventually.

Klaatu: Most of them don't make it.

Professor Barnhardt: Yours did. How?

Klaatu: Our sun was dying. We had to evolve in order to survive.

Professor Barnhardt: So it was only when your world was threated with destruction that you became what you are now.

Klaatu: Yes.

Professor Barnhardt: Well that's where we are. You say we're on the brink of destruction and you're right. But it's only on the brink that people find the will to change. Only at the precipice do we evolve. This is our moment. Don't take it from us, we are close to an answer.

In the last part of the movie, the Klaatu said:" Your professor was right, At the precipice, we change"

And finally Klaatu stoped his fight against the humans and give them a new chance for change

In The Matrix Revolutions 2003, Neo finally stopped fighting against the matrix and helped it for stopping The program Smith , Just wanted one Price for it: Peace ( not freedom, change or any thing else, for saving humans )
Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2020 1:02:19 PM

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Hi brother. I have seen both movies and had not grasped all the deeper similarities. Thanks
Posted: Thursday, May 28, 2020 8:48:23 PM
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jdlaw wrote:
Hi brother. I have seen both movies and had not grasped all the deeper similarities. Thanks

Hi jdlaw
This similarities were very interesting for me and hope It be useful for others too
Thanks for your attention
Posted: Friday, March 18, 2022 11:15:08 PM
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After new episode of the matrix "The Matrix Resurrections", Some parameters changed
For example:There is no plan for transferring all of humans to outside of the matrix.

So the fight of Neo against the matrix and the meaning of the Zion changed
And this topic can continue to analysis this changes
Posted: Saturday, March 19, 2022 1:06:17 AM
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In "The Matrix Resurrections" This expression is very important about "Zion"
Niobe:We're quite excited about the blueberries. You remember that shit we used to eat? That slop that tasted like rust. Zion could have never made something like this.


Niobe: Because we needed synthients and DI like him. Zion was stuck in the past. Stuck in war. Stuck in a Matrix of its own. They believed that it had to be us or them. This city was built by us and them.
Posted: Saturday, March 19, 2022 5:43:39 AM
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Instead of focusing on conflict between humans and machines seen in previous episodes
In "The Matrix Resurrections" we see cooperation examples:

The agent smith tells Neo:
Look, Tom, I know we've always had our differences. What did you say about our first meeting? We had all the chemistry of an FBI interrogation.But look at this place.We did this.Together.

Neo introduced to some machines around them:
- This is Cybebe. That's Octacles. That's Lumin8.

Neo: Machines are on our side now?

- They are synthients. It's a word they prefer to "Machines." Your contact with the Synthient City had a huge impact on their world. That's what I meant. What you changed that nobody believed could ever be changed. The meaning of "our side. "Cybebe and Octacles risked their lives to help get you out.

Posted: Saturday, March 26, 2022 12:42:38 AM
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An other Quote that is related to this topic from " Dr strange " movie ,When He learned
"At the root of existence, mind and matter meet. Thoughts shape reality "

And In the matrix we can see how Thoughts of a simulator can shape reality of simulations
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