It wasn't some kind of muscle spasm?
But unlikely because odds of both you and your girlfriend experiencing them at the same time make this unlikely.
I've had things like that happen -- not necessarily a pulse -- but strange, small almost reminders. In my case, there were possible natural explanations, but the possibility of those natural explanations were almost as hard to believe as any paranormal one. For instance, I had every internal door in my apartment shut while I slept. Possibly I was sleep-walking. I never sleepwalked before or since. But it's a natural explanation.

Ooh, that's a good one! Maybe set up a camera for next time?

I guess we always try to find the "conventional" explanations first, right? But if you consider that "conventional" is just an interpretation of our belief systems, maybe we should be more open to those unconventional explanations.

Does anybody have any theories on what it was? My first thought was a spirit. Remember how Patrick Swayze in "Ghost" learned to manipulate matter in the "real world" despite being a ghost? So many times, art reflects reality. But who, and why? Or, was it just an intelligent component of ATTI messing with me?



Mark, mostly many odd coincidences. Like, one evening while she was preparing dinner, Tashi and I were talking about how some American medical students go to Grenada to get their degrees, and the pros and cons of such a decision. First time we ever explored that topic. Then we sat down to watch the latest episode of X-Files, "The Lost Art of Forehead Sweat" (the one about the Mandela effect - highly recommended if you haven't seen it!) and the main character, Reggie, proceeds to describe how, when he was a medical student in Grenada, a UFO crashed... As you know, I've written a great deal about the Mandela effect, had my own UFO sighting, and then this unlikely coincidence!

Hey Jim. I haven't checked in here in quite a while. I love these topics, thank you for sharing this story.

I have an interesting theory as to what it was. It was you, in some type of phased reality so to speak somewhere between the waking world and the dream world. I guess kind of like the "hypnogogic" state.

I've been attempting to experiment with inducing such phenomena, more than I probably should have in the last six months. I'm not quite sure if the pulsating you describe is the same as what I've experienced, if you could explain more in detail that would be great. On multiple occasions I've awakened with strange intense vibrations going through my entire body, and most commonly my head. Some so intense I could actually hear the pulsating sound. Painless, but a very almost electrical current-like feeling. On more than one occasion I recall movement where I may have been "out of body", and one extreme occasion I was in what appeared to be my parents apartment... before I was born. They could not see me, but I could hear them arguing about something, I could recognize their voices, and even more strangely I could not see their faces very clearly, it was as if their faces were blurred out. I could recognize from the surroundings it must have been late 70's or very early 80's. I was a ghost in other words, in the past.

What's interesting is how Tashi claims to have experienced the same thing. Other than my cats who shared my bed(who have since both passed away in the last couple of months), I usually sleep alone. So I cannot confirm, but always did suspect that this phenomenon is more than just locally in your mind.

My guess is that it was you, toying with your own foot(and hers), probably trying to see if you could get a response. It could have been you doing it right then and there while you were in this phased state of reality while still lying in bed not fully awakened, or possibly you haven't quite done it yet in this "time". You were the ghost that haunted both of you that morning.

That is odd it was localized to your feet. Even more odd you both experienced it. Often times we can't tell the difference between dreaming and being awake. Only a couple of months ago I woke up from a dream, I was in my house, started telling my friends about the dream I had just had, then realized when there was this strange extra door inside of my bathroom that I was in another dream, I woke up yet again. What's strange about this particular instance is that not only did I dream within a dream, I actually had recollection of it while still dreaming.

I have a hunch that the strange vibration may be connected with an out of body experience. I have no recollection of actually freely traveling around at will though, yet. One night I had awakened around 4AM, hearing a clicking sound as if someone kept hitting one key on my keyboard every couple of seconds... and then I couldn't see it, but I could literally feel something coming closer to me, and it entered the top of my head which then this intense vibration occurred in my head. That time I could actually hear the sound of it, it was like an intense pulsating. Was that me returning to my body? I'm not sure. Some nights/mornings I wake up with the vibration pulsating throughout my whole body, and I can even make it stop or keep it going at will every now and then.

A strange side effect that has happened a few times so far is a full lucid dream. Actually very thrilling. The type where I could literally program the surroundings around me at will in my dream, and whichever person I would think of, I could literally summon within the dream and they were seemingly "alive". Meanwhile I maintained all senses in the dream, I could feel as if I were awake, etc...I could have summoned Nikola Tesla and had a conversation with him... Needless to say I wasn't smart about it, it turned into a crazy scene like you would see in Californication. I was pretty disappointed with myself when I woke up lol. There I was, with who knows what kind of information I could have had at hand and I did something completely ridiculous with it... and I'll admit this happened more than once. I just wanted to punch myself when waking up.

Aside from OBEs and lucid dreaming, what I believe is most profound is a type of place/state of mind somewhere between it all, I don't know how to describe it, but I have been there a few times, quite recently actually. It's like a full connection with the universe, answers to any questions, anything you are able to think it will answer for you. It's just so hard to stay there or maintain memory of it.

The experience where I may had transcended time, I was looking for something to try to verify where(and when) I was. I was scouring through anything I could find, newspapers, receipts, anything that could show me a date/time of where I was, because I was somehow aware I was in the past(and it was evident with the surroundings like an early 1980's television) but I needed proof. Every paper I held up and looked at, it was as if it was watered down, like the letters/numbers were SO faint, I had too much difficulty making any of it out.

I will try to find some verification next time I find myself in some type of OBE, to see if it corroborates with this reality.

Wow! A little precognition. Embrace that stuff, Jon. You're getting into some cool stuff.

Very cool, Jon!

What is the combination of supplements that is working for you?

I'm no expert in OBEs, but what worked for me in the past was to just relax and "think" where you want to go. Like, "I want to go through that wall" and BOOM it happens. Let us know how it goes.

Every OBE I have ever had always starts with the "vibrations." I am very interested that Jon's experiences came while sleeping on his right side. The logical cynical explanation I have run into by researching the web for the "vibrational" experience followed by OBE is that our bodies are merely experiencing oxygen deprivation due to sleep apnea or other lack of sufficient breathing that comes with aging and sleeping on your back. I think all of my OBEs have occurred while sleeping on my back. Mine also seem to relate to moon cycles and have been more frequent around full moon times of the month. I do not know if this is coincidence or not.

On nights when this happens, I wake up not feeling very well rested and that worries me also that it might be something health related. But, what I cannot escape is the fact that I have such vivid OBEs after the vibrational state. Sometimes it may start in just my feet or other appendages, but while in this state, I will become lucid (aware of myself) and actually "push" my body to vibrate more fully. If I try too hard to move out of the vibration, it often just causes me to wake up. But if I just go with it and ride it through, when the vibrations end, I can easily sit up and get up and move around. When this happens, I am always in what seems to be a familiar and correct place (to me at the time). But, then I usually go through another dream within a dream and awake in my own room (for real) and the familiarity of that other place I was during the OBE becomes less familiar, and yet I remember it vividly. Many people describe similar things on OBE websites.

I think there are also a lot of phony garbage stories about OBEs out there on the internet. When I hear someone else describing it the way it happens to me (with the "vibrational state" and all) I tend to count this as true (and others false) as I only have my experience to rely upon.

jdlaw, Do you wake up in this vibrational state, or do you induce it through meditation while attempting to put your body to sleep? I usually wake up after a couple of hours of being asleep and find myself experiencing the vibrations, for reason I'm not sure of. I can also at times control it, make it stop and resume, or pulsate throughout my entire body, usually lasting no longer than 30seconds. I have not had the full OBE experience with visual control yet, but it will come. When you say "dream within a dream", I have been experiencing that as well, very often, even last night. I often tell people in my dream about the dream I just had and how strange it was, just to find out I'm in another dream lol.

Jim oddly enough I was sleeping on my left side when I had an incredibly lucid dream a little while back, so I'm under a little impression(not conclusive) that sleeping on my left side will give me a lucid dream, while my right side a potential OBE. I've had many dreams where I became semi-lucid or aware it was a dream, however this one time was beyond that, I was remaining in the dream with full control and all of my senses in tact, it was surreal. I honestly think I tend to sleep on my right side now because at the moment I'm more interested in the OBE, I may be wrong but it might have more to offer than a lucid dream. I'm going to stick to my right side for the time being.

I think during the Mucana Pruriers experience I for the first time was able to briefly view things while out of body. While waking up/returning to my body, when I waved my hand in front of my face it appeared in some kind of astral/electronic looking state. My hand was dark brown/blackish colored almost like smoke(but it was "my hand", it moved as I made it), difficult to describe. My surroundings were very dark for that brief moment. What was most surreal was faintly seeing stars through my bedroom wall, and this was occurring for a few seconds after I was just about fully awake and my real surroundings were back in view.

I've only spent less than a year attempting any of this and have already experienced the vibrations numerous times, without question. I could even at times literally hear the sound of the vibrations, it was that strong. So why is this something that isn't more well known, discussed, and analyzed? I feel like it's suppressed intentionally. This had to be very common knowledge at one point in time I would imagine. One particular example would be the Nazca Lines in Peru. A lot of people theorize that these were created for "alien visitors" to see, but what if these ancient Peruvians created it for themselves to view while having OBEs?

While having an OBE, I think there's much more than the visual/exploration aspect. I'm most interested in the information held within that state that may be accessible. I've had a few occasions where I was in some type of half-asleep OBE state, yet kept my eyes closed. I remained fully conscious of who I was here and now. I felt like I could just reach anything or understand so much. One example without getting too personal, I reached out to someone I haven't had contact with for years with a "can you hear me?", and clear as day I heard her voice respond "yes I can". Much more than a daydream, it was really there. If she got my message that followed, hopefully one day we'll find out.

I find it interesting that you have them regularly now, as I do. Just had it happen again last night, but rather faintly this time, switching on and off.

Since I first experienced the "vibration" less than year ago, it happens rather frequently now. Why is that? How did this not exist to me my entire life, now it's just something that happens quite often. Is there some kind of chain we break in our mind that enables us to become aware of it? This seems to be the case with you as well jdlaw. Once we experience it and become aware of it, it becomes commonplace. What other such things are awaiting to be unchained?

I'm definitely not ruling out some type of dimensional shift taking place when we sleep. What exactly happens when we sleep/dream? To me this is just as big of a mystery as any. One of the most interesting responses I've heard is that dreams are the result of a broken relationship with the conscious and subconscious.

I'm going to continue with what I'm doing, without reading too much into technique theory or what one can/can't do in the astral/vibrational state. I'm just walking into this blindfolded, relying on intuition and I don't know.. genetic memory(is that a thing?). I have this feeling that there is just "more" to this.

I realized I got my math wrong. One beat every half second is 2 Hertz, not .5 Hertz. Oh Well. Anyway, I edited my post, lest any scientist become convinced that I am a total idiot.