They are clowns just seeking profit and book deals. Absolutely no evidence to offer or even anything with substance. Embarrassing this even made it to a congressional hearing, it was literally some idiot just saying "someone told me this, but I can't say who told me".

There's a formula with former military careers matching up with UFO exploiters and seeking sensational headlines and obvious book deals. Before this phony David Grusch with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp it was Luis Elizondo and Tom DeLonge. It's just stupid, embarrassing. The U.S. military has an enormous amount of employees, and it in no way exempts anyone from being a bullshitter who makes up stories.

I have no doubt UFO's are real. But I also have no doubt these clowns in particular are just looking to exploit the subject.

As for the David Grusch thing, there is literally no evidence at all, the guy is simply attempting to forge credibility on the subject so he can make profit off of it. He's not the first one to do it, and apparently there are no repercussions for using a congressional hearing to promote yourself.

But why do you hope i'm wrong? In the larger picture, do we deserve to know the answers right now? What good would come out of us knowing there is something more out there, a whole universe of life and complex civilization, just to realize we are FAR from being ready to participate in such a thing, we're left alone here. We can't force our way into something like that, it would be like forcing your way into someone's locked door. The universe and what's out there, what's watching us, it's been there longer than us. When we are ready, the door will open. Let's not try to force it open. It sucks to admit that I'm quite sure in our lifetime we aren't going to see that door open, we're still far away from that day. Planet earth is still a wild animal in the universe.

I'm not familiar with Steve Bassett but if he was promising disclosure would be imminent he's another quack. Anyone who claims they know when disclosure is coming is a clown, don't believe into any of that. Disclosure simply isn't up to us. No human, even the president could disclose something of that nature in a truthful way. We don't have enough answers to disclose, no one does. Are UFO's real? Absolutely. Do we know anything about them? Likely next to nothing. We can't disclose something we know next to nothing about.

You have to understand this so called "UFO-ology" field is full of people trying to make money off of it, don't trust any of them when it comes to predictions.

Anyone who talks about disclosure likely has no credibility. To assume we know the answers is a mistake.

Grusch is a fake, trust me. I wouldn't look forward to disclosure happening anytime soon, likely not happening in our lifetime. Disclosure is not up to us, I hope you understand what I'm saying. We don't have the answers, not even our military officials with the highest clearance know these answers, no one knows. Disclosure is impossible right now. Only the "aliens" are capable of disclosure. The only thing that we know is that some types of unidentified advanced intelligence visits us.

Blue Beam/fake alien invasion is also not happening, at least anytime soon. I'd worry more about a war with China and/or Russia first.

It's great to see that at least two people are keeping this Forum alive! Thanks Jon D and EKUMA1981.



I love this sentiment, Jon. Very well put. I think along the same lines. I went to "Contact in the Desert" this year and it was full of people in a few different categories...

1. Laypeople, genuinely fascinated with the UFO phenomenon, hoping for answers, and enjoying being around others with similar interests

2. Opportunists, as you said, staking their claim in some niche in the field, selling books, ideas, trinkets, searching for adherents to their viewpoints

3. Fringe lurkers, people like myself, not squarely in the field, but happy to have a chance to talk about our philosophies and network with like-minded people

I have nothing against any of the groups, but I do agree that it feels like people keep asking the same questions over and over again - "what are they?", "when will the government disclose?", etc. And at the end of the day, they miss the point. I don't need the government to tell me what is true or right. They have an abysmal track record of that anyway. I know my own subjective experiences and have thought about them enough that I don't even care that much to debate it anymore. Happy to share ideas as always, but I don't need adherents or book sales - they gave me a table to sell my books and I didn't even bring any. A little validation would be nice, but chasing that is futile. I just like learning and exploring new ideas with open minded people.

No, I completely disagree with you here, Jon D. There are quite a few cases where people are injured by UAPs and their occupants! Sometimes inadvertently, other times deliberately. For example, the Colares incident in 1977 where possibly hundreds of people were attacked by UAPs! They were getting their blood extracted.

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I really don't believe they are all love and light. They are not really our space brothers and sisters. After doing a lot of research in this field I have found that they are very deceptive. And, why on earth do some give off sulphur and ammonia smells?! This fact also backs up my previous point about them being connected to demonology.

Robert Taylor was also a victim of a UAP assault. The craft even tried to drag him along the ground and ripped his trousers in the process! -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taylor_incident

Plus, there were all them "Foo Fighters" during WW2. What was that all about?! Why were they interfering in human affairs? Why were they appearing pre-1947 as well. If we are such a bad species why do they linger on earth. Why don't they just go away and leave us to our own affairs?

And, don't forget all them animal mutilations connected to UAPs! Witnesses have even seen UAPs lift animals into the sky via a tractor beam mechanism. What is the point, and why do they brutally slice these animals open and exsanguinate all the blood. It's absolutely sick. UAPs must be responsible for millions of animal deaths.

Love & light, peaceful space-faring beings - I DON'T THINK SO!

Yes true it is strange how people still see the government as a trusted source, and most believe our government even has all these answers. I'm quite sure they don't have answers, they aren't even capable of disclosure. In a situation like this, only the aliens would be able to disclose this topic realistically.



Validation comes in due time. I love exploring ideas here, which is something I find very difficult to do outside of the internet lol. Though this is not a very active forum at the moment, it's still a very valuable tool for me, a place to come share a new idea that may come to mind before I lose it. Which reminds me I've been regressing over the last couple of years, I need to get my mind out of the gutter and back into more constructive thoughts.