The Universe Solved

 


Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Members | Log In | Register

Should We Clone Neanderthals? Options
jim
Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:17:52 PM

Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 3/19/2008
Posts: 981
Points: 2,955
How about a good old-fashioned debate on this topic...

Should we clone Neanderthals?

http://www.archaeology.org/1003/etc/neanderthals.html

I say no. Seems kind of unfair to the big guys.
Neo
Posted: Saturday, May 1, 2010 5:41:32 PM
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 3/21/2008
Posts: 580
Points: 1,643
Location: Ireland
Very interesting topic, ties in nicely with other ethical dilemmas we may face in the near future. If we do bring them back it would only be fair to do so in a sizeable mass (say 1,000 or so?). Then they would belong to a tribe of their own kind. But would they just be our pets in this scenario, an amusing sideshow for people to muse over?

To my understanding we either killed them off directly first time round or (more likely) sped them away to remote corners of Europe to hunt for resources that humans were obtaining in greater and greater quantities, until eventually they died off. This has in part been attributed to their lack of imagination. Could they adapt to the modern world in any real capacity? Could they grasp their history, and our role in it?

Ok, I know I'm not answering the question, It's a tough one, despite the very real negative scenarios involved. The possibility of resurrecting a highly sentient species, wow. What I will say though, is that, like many other rubicons over history, if it can happen, it will happen, it would seem to be only a question of time.

On a related topic, Patrick Dixon writes in "Futurewise" that

"It will not be long before humonkeys have been made. Perhaps such embryos already exist. The technology is proven. Hybrids are easy to create."

He goes on to ask how many human genes does an animal have to have to obtain human rights, a similar question to the one posed in that article about the rights of neanderthals in human society.

Ok, If forced to decide I would say yes (I think) mainly for the reason that if this isn't done openly and responsibly then it may be done by some private company somewhere driven mainly by profit.

There is no spoon.
Neo
Posted: Monday, May 3, 2010 11:47:17 AM
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 3/21/2008
Posts: 580
Points: 1,643
Location: Ireland
Hey Jim, you inspired me to do more "Youtube-ing":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIrgZqm693g&feature=PlayList&p=59449A4A169611B3&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=33

This is really interesting, I won't spoil it by going into details, just that it offers a new theory as to the neanderthals' demise.


There is no spoon.
jim
Posted: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:01:41 PM

Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 3/19/2008
Posts: 981
Points: 2,955
Didn't know about humonkeys, very interesting.

I tend to agree that if it can be created, it will be created. I think that there are a lot of possible cases where we will create, intentionally, or inadvertently, a new species/type/race/hybrid. Humonkeys would be one example, Neanderthals another, robots another, and the merging of superior and synthetic parts into the human anatomy will create another. The result may be a sociological disaster, with the inferior type becoming slaves as the gap widens. Anger and rebellion would be logical reactions. So, I say, why create such a contentious situation?

I like Patrick Dixon's consideration about what it will take to obtain human rights. We consider animal rights more and more (as we should), as we become more enlightened as a species. At some point, will we extend those rights to robots, under the argument that complexity creates sentience? Personally, I have a different view - that the consciousness chooses its vehicle. If so, we may already have sentient robots, or soon (see upcoming posting in the Robots section)
Neo
Posted: Saturday, May 8, 2010 6:36:01 PM
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 3/21/2008
Posts: 580
Points: 1,643
Location: Ireland
Neo
Posted: Friday, May 14, 2010 6:16:05 PM
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 3/21/2008
Posts: 580
Points: 1,643
Location: Ireland
and there's more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40N_u0gQrcE

There is no spoon.
sambuca
Posted: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:38:23 AM
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 7/15/2008
Posts: 114
Points: 257
Location: nyc
the great american humorist mark twain once commented that he thought the french were the "missing link" in evolution--it seems he wasn't far off as recent dna tests have shown that traces of neanderthal dna have been found prevalent in the french population--i have always had an intuitive feeling that the french language with it's nasal predominance making it unique in the world had a very primitive origin and interestingly enough is the fact that neanderthal had quite large noses which the french have seem to inherited is quite evident----Think
Tracy
Posted: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:11:23 PM
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 3/30/2009
Posts: 448
Points: 1,347
Location: N.Lewisburg,OH,US
sambuca
Posted: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:21:42 AM
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 7/15/2008
Posts: 114
Points: 257
Location: nyc
Applause great post tracy---saw the interview of j craig venter on the charlie rose show last night--extremely interesting and thought provoking--
Users browsing this topic
Guest


Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Main Forum RSS : RSS

Universe Solved Theme Created by Jim Elvidge (Universe Solved)
Powered by Yet Another Forum.net version 1.9.1.2 (NET v4.0) - 9/27/2007
Copyright © 2003-2006 Yet Another Forum.net. All rights reserved.
This page was generated in 0.062 seconds.