I think this is one of my favorite threads!

My 2 cents on some of this stuff…



I love the idea of the age of the internet. It certainly has had the power to bring together common ideas and support.

It got me thinking about Spiral Dynamics - anybody familiar with it? It is a model, developed by a psychology professor and researcher named Clare Grave, that models human evolution - not just how we have evolved throughout history, but also how individuals evolve, as well as teams, or organizations. It examines worldviews, or systems of thinking and identifies 8 stages. For example, at the bottom of the hierarchy is the (Beige) survivalist meme, characterized by “do what you must to stay alive”, followed by Purple (magical, animistic - think Druids), Red (egocentric, conquering mentality), Blue (authoritarian), Orange (achievist, corresponding to industrialization), Green (egalitarian - think Green Party), Yellow (integrative), and finally, Turquoise (holistic). The characteristics of Turquoise are:
- The world is a single, dynamic organism with its own collective mind
- Self is both distinct and a blended part of a larger, compassionate whole
- Everything connects to everything else in ecological alignments
- Energy and information permeate the Earth’s total environment
- Holistic, intuitive thinking and cooperative actions are to be expected

The idea of moving into a different worldview resonates with me. It doesn’t happen all at once; nor doesn’t it happen simultaneously everywhere. In fact, in his model there are “unfolding, emergent, spiraling processes” as we move between systems. Just food for thought, there.

IMHO, what’s happening is this… In our waking state, our awareness is squarely in the “apparent physical reality” which is really the virtual learning system, RLL (see image). The seat of our consciousness is elsewhere, in ATTI, at a different level of reality, but our mind is busy processing daily business, aka monkey chatter. When we meditate, use certain supplements, do ritualistic dance, or whatever, we are able to silent the monkey chatter and allow our awareness to move back into ATTI, where our individuated consciousness is. This is the realm of dreams, OBE’s, lucid dreams, etc. I don’t think there is really much difference between a lucid dream and an OBE - in both cases, you are aware of your state and your level of control in that state and not fooled into believing that you are in a fantasy (dream) or apparent physical reality (waking state). However it is that you get there, you have now created a mental muscle. As you exercise that muscle by entering the state over and over, it gets stronger and easier to achieve. It’s like neuroplasticity - I think of it like a groove on a record - your consciousness is digging a pattern or groove that makes it easier and easier to both pop into that level of reality, as well as being open to the other experiences that can happen there (UFO sightings, telepathy, etc.).

The vibration is just something that happens when you move from RLL to the deeper state. I suppose the flaw in this logic is that if the vibration only happens with OBEs and not lucid dreams, then maybe there is some difference between the two.

I've never heard of Spiral Dynamics, going to have to look at that.

I think the vibration is most definitely some kind of connection with the higher self/deeper state.

Which way does it go? (going by Jim's wording of RLL/deeper state)When the vibration occurs do we move here from the RLL into the deeper state, or does the deeper state interact down into us here in the RLL?

I did experience the vibration again last night, strong but very briefly and this occurred instantaneously as I awoke from a very vivid dream. What's notably strange about my dreams recently is I seem to be recalling them with very clear detail now, and while I'm dreaming my memory is intersecting with this reality and what seems to be other realties. For instance here in real life I ran into someone I knew a long time ago the other day. In my dream last night I was telling someone about it, and I mentioned the place I had ran into him, but also spoke of running into him again at another place which didn't happen in this reality. This is becoming a common occurrence in my dreams lately. I'm able to recall RLL memory in my dreams, but it's mixed with other memories that seem just as real.

The most frustrating thing is I'm still getting a lot of daily life monkey chatter spilling into my dreams, creating very mundane dreams recently.

Jon D,

Very cool that you felt the vibrations. Consensus reality makes me believe more. Maybe this happens a lot when we sleep, but we only remember it when we become "enlightened" to a certain extent. Perhaps the digital consciousness we are accessing wants us to first reach this level of understanding in our waking states before it is willing to show us something more in our sleep states.

And as the program is ... the programmer was
http://www.non-virtual.com/Non-virtual_Horizons.html

Dream - Awareness of the RLL is removed/restricted. What I do notice is that in any dream scenario I am in, I am still me, I still have my personality traits. It's as if I am a file being placed on another server, I function the same way. While dreaming, that reality is real life to me. My faults still follow me into my dreams, "worldly desires" and stupid things often deterring my motive. As if part of my file is corrupted, as a computer with a virus, if that makes sense. I do have a better understanding of the importance of "not sinning" or what have you, it really does impact ones self as I notice in the dream world, and I'm not even that bad really. Every little bit counts though.

Your definition of waking reality seems pretty spot on.. a bit of an open world multiplayer server.

Is a lucid dream really different than an OBE? I can't say for sure yet, I lean toward it being different. I do see how easily you could confuse a very lucid dream with an OBE. In my strongest lucid dream, I was aware I was in a dream, yet didn't feel I could do more with it other than dream stuff like summoning people at will and having them do what I wanted, so I just had fun with it. In this possible OBE I just had, it felt more serious, not something I wanted to play around with. I felt I could do more, like just go to anyone instantaneously. My curiosity with my surroundings kept me busy. Hopefully the next chance comes soon. I felt as if it was truly timeless though while I was in it.

What I think is separate and deserving of it's own category is the "hypnagogic state". It's that small window right before entering or coming out of a dream/falling asleep. Very short-lived strong dreamlike visuals, sometimes auditory phenomenon. This is where I've had some of my craziest experiences. Somewhat rare as well not an everyday occurrence.

Whether or not a history had to be created to correlate with your experience I find the idea interesting. I think we're talking about manifesting reality? It's in some sense kind of having a bit of lucidity here within the RLL. I used to be on the fence about this, but I'm now becoming convinced it may be how things work out.

I can say I have always gotten the things in life that I truly wanted, having absolute true intent and expectation toward it. Things that were seemingly out of reach initially. I know that feeling of having such intent, I miss it. Breathing it, dreaming of it, it gets embedded into your subconscious. I need this kind of intent for this research, I feel it's necessary.

I think what may have happened with the strange Tom Campbell audio and your wife reaching for the phone could have been hypnagogic phenomenon. You were in some sense in the process of connecting(or disconnecting from) some other possibly deeper state. Think of it like a dialup modem(remember the strange noises lol) in the process of connecting to the web. You're entering the universe's version of the world wide web.

I think we can just about conclude the vibration is in fact a sensation directly related to connecting someplace else, a deeper state. But what is this place? It exists, there has to be a purpose. I personally do not think it's various realities, I think it's "everything". In this place, all that ever was and will be can be accessed.

Agreed. I think we may be on the right track. I am not interested in any of these "OBE" training camps (or by any other name) I am finding now on the internet. If my reality could not even manifest a decent "vibrational state" google search back in 2008 - 2013 and only recently created this "history" I am going to tend not to trust it. I prefer this type of discussion in here figuring it out for ourselves. No harm reading about it, but I have neither the time nor money to go to some astral projection boot camp.

I don't necessarily think an OBE is escaping this reality, I believe it's a part of it, just with maybe a little interaction with a deeper reality/something else. In fact I think this occurs for all of us, each time we sleep and dream. From my perspective my goal here is to maintain conscious awareness and memory while this occurs, to explore what's possible of it, if anything. I'm not taking away anything from my daily reality I exist in here, I'm trying to bring more to it.

I'm aware this could all be in vain, but if not, it's well worth the effort. It doesn't effect my daily life much, I mean I have to sleep anyway lol

In short, an OBE is not an NDE, it's not the afterlife. It's very much part of this reality in my opinion, as it's apparently something we are able to do here and now. It's most definitely not going back to where we came from.

Quantum Consciousness - And its Nature in Microtubules. Dr. Stuart Hameroff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx0SsffdMBw

Very interesting lecture by Dr. Stuart Hameroff in which he mentions OBE's in several places. Besides, he also mentions that microtubules have hexagonal lattices (and note that Pi resonance rings are also hexagon shaped).

I have mentioned hexagons/hexagrams before in several of my other posts - for example, refer to the thread TR-3B?! Should I trust my intuition about the importance of this hexagonal geometry? E8 code or something to do with Magic Stars? I would also like to fit qubits and qutrits into the model. Truth is, I just don't have the physics, advanced maths, and computer science skills to help me solve problems of this nature. Maybe in another life. LoL.

If anyone wants to ignore or exclude maths from a theory of digital consciousness then please tell me why there are exactly 64 codons in the genetic code, the same as the number of I-Ching Hexagrams?!

Gosh, my English is dire. When I said, “I suppose there could be many similarities and differences to both phenomena.” I meant between an ‘OBE and NDE’ and not between an’ OBE and Astral-Projection.’ I omitted to say so in the sentence.



And Jon D, here you are racking your brains trying to find some difference between an 'OBE and Astral-Projection' when I knew all along they were essentially the same. I’m so dreadfully sorry that you went to all that effort for nothing.

By the way, If you would like to find out information about your past and possible future lives astral-projection is not the only possible method.

Moreover, I managed to access the "Akashic Records" to find out about one of my former lives by using a combination of the I-Ching and Reiki. I also added a lot of intent to the mix which was then followed by a number of synchronicities to reinforce the accuracy of the information revealed to me. 

Personally, I recommend that you indulge in at least half a dozen Reiki sessions and even better go for a Reiki Attunement before you start some serious astral-projection. You might be surprised at the results if you give this method a try.

It's a pity you didn't live in Scotland Jon D as I would have given you some one-to-one tuition for free. Are there any I-Ching 'Meetup' groups in your area? Your best bet would be to find and join a group like this. Furthermore, I would recommend that you buy Richard Wilhelm's and Cary F. Bayne's translations of the Classic "I Ching: Or, Book of Changes." Read the 'Preface to the Third Edition'; the 'Foreword'; 'Translator's Note'; 'Preface' and 'Introduction.' Best to read all these chapters several times.

There are numerous versions of the I-Ching but in my view, only Wilhelm is actually required. That said, a wise choice of supplementary material can be of immense value during the formative years. I also recommend 'The Complete I-Ching' by Alfred Huang; Hilary Barret's forum 'Online Clarity,' where there is a wealth of information to be found on 'How to get started' and last but not least, James De Korne's website 'The Gnostic Book of Changes' (you can Google the last two). What I like about James's website is that it contains a number of different author's translations (but not in full), viz, Legge; Wilhelm/Bayne's; Blofeld; Liu; Ritsema/Karcher; Shaughnessy; Cleary; Wu; Siu; Wing; Anthony and James De Korne, himself. Personally, I gravitate towards, Wilhelm/Bayne's; Wing and James De Korne. However, you'll learn to have your own preferences, different courses for different horses, I suppose.

Furthermore, to really understand the I-Ching one must go through a number of phases and none of these can be hurried. 'The Book of Changes' is, as Wilhem said: "A work that represents thousands of years of slow organic growth and that can be assimilated only through prolonged reflection and meditation”, but the beauty of it is, since you are trying to communicate with a 'Divine Intelligence' it will adapt to your own level of knowledge, understanding, and skill. It is immensely patient until you try to mess with it or refuse to take its advice! I have been admonished by it loads of times. LOL.

But please don't get discouraged if you find it difficult, to begin with; I have a little dictum which goes something like this: "Just as you start learning to swim you should keep to the shallows (Runes, Tarot, and other similar Occult practices) but as you get bolder, stronger and wiser, you find the courage to venture forth into deeper waters (I-Ching)."

I myself, didn't last long in the shallows, but if you prefer like I did, to take the plunge into the deep end right away, it comes with its risks and is not that easy, but it is definitely worth it in the end.

AND remember, according to Lao Tzu: "The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step." Good luck!

EDIT: I have made a few changes to the above, as it was initially written in a hurry just before I left for work.