https://www.bitchute.com/video/qxJAWoHDv1h2/

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Ooh, I like this guy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/n1LQhOeR2AxH/

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Hi jdlaw,

I find it difficult to know where to start in response to your posts as we seem to be coming from different angles. For now I'd just like to link this short video I came across.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Fhs0kgRUUo63/


This is Canada in 2020. Canada. We're in deep, folks.

(p.s. I link bitchute vids because the main video sharing site is so heavily censored these days. It was this that first raised alarm bells for me)

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"Alarm Bells" I think we all agree on. However, I do not think the answer will be turning to bitchute videos posted by people who have chosen to publish false claims that are so far beyond decency that it could constitute fraud.

The Canadian Mayor arrest attempt video would actually be fine on any media channel. It is a story either way.

Citizen's Arrest Fails


I am just wondering why so many people are willing to listen to a crowd of 75 people chanting strange claims that "there is no data showing the existence of a pandemic?"

OK? So simply because they say it, means there is no data suggesting that hospitals are reaching capacity with strange onset of pulmonary function disorders? It means those photos and videos of all the bodies in the morgues are fabricated? It means that all those health care workers telling us about how hard they are working against this respiratory syndrome are in on this hoax?

That my friends and family who have died from this are not real?

JDLaw... Yes, I do believe that Covid-19 is a real virus but I do not believe it warrants this many draconian measures. We've had epidemics in the past and the UK has never acted like this before. Plus, the mortality rate is low with Covid-19. It badly affects only the old and people with underlying health conditions. Well, that's always the case with any bug that goes round. You know, every year we get influenzas and the most vulnerable are helped as best they can be. And everybody else just gets on with their lives. Why is it so drastically different with Covid-19?! Like I said in my previous messages if it was something like an airborne ebola pandemic then I could understand all these draconian measures, but this Covid-19 is not anything like ebola. So why all this hysteria and multiple lockdowns for a simple virus with a low mortality rate. It just does not add up. That's why I believe there's so much more to this.

Also, check this out -

https://gbdeclaration.org/

I completely agree, EKUMA1981. And thanks for the reference to the Great Barrington Declaration. I was unaware of it before. Did a little research and, of course, there is backlash from the establishment (e.g. https://www.johnsnowmemo.com/). Still, I completely agree with their position.

Here is my 2 cents on this whole debacle. And, frankly, my position hasn't changed since March...

1. Covid is a real disease. Contact tracing data shows real infectious patterns. It is also definitely more deadly than the flu. Excess mortality in 2017 doe to a particularly bad flu season was a few percent, but in 2020, it is 10-20%. Most of the people dying or suffering long terms effects are elderly, and most of those (94%) have other major health issues.

2. However, it is also only twice as deadly as the flu to children, which is pretty insignificant to start with. One of the stats quoted in the GB Declaration was that in Sweden, where children under 15 were allowed to continue to attend school, there have been ZERO deaths in the 1.8 million of that age group. Sweden practiced social responsibility exactly as recommended by GB and has a significantly lower mortality than the US, all South American countries, and most of Europe, meanwhile being much further along in terms of herd immunity.

3. Covid has been extremely divisive, not unlike Trump. Or, correction, the government's response to Covid has been extremely divisive. Witness this Forum, or your Facebook feed. People get really angry at each other for holding a very defensible opposing position. I really encourage all of us to not get personal with others; not use words like "crazy", "crackpot", "nonsense", etc., even when referring to the videos or links because people identify with those sources and therefore feel insulted.

4. Those who focus only on minimizing the number of deaths at any cost are missing the much bigger picture. There is so much more to this than people dying from a novel virus. There are mental health impacts, homelessness, economic well being, physical health (who hasn't reduced their exercise habits because of the lockdowns), and government control vs personal freedom issues. None of these should be discounted. Don't countries go to war and people voluntarily risk their lives to protect their freedoms?

5. There is definitely a media bias, an establishment position, on Covid. Most networks are aligned and don't present alternative viewpoints. Some of their positions don't make a lot of sense; for example, all of the studies and graphics that show aerosolized particle patterns only prove standard fluid dynamics and completely ignore the critical factors of viral load and environmental factors (sun, wind); yet they show these over and over, achieving little more than creating a culture of fear.

6. The policies of most governments are terribly inhumane. People who are dying want nothing more than to be able to see, touch, and be in the room with their loved ones; yet this is often disallowed. Recommendations now not to interact in different "pods" breaks apart families at the holidays for God's sake. And frankly, I know a lot of elderly people who live for their contact with their grandkids, regardless of risk. But nope, not allowed.

7. I really recommend getting multiple viewpoints. I can't tell you how many podcasts I've heard where something sounded really cool and conspiratorial (e.g. there is no virus, it is just exosomes, or masks don't help because of this or that), but when I dig into the issue, I see that many arguments may be solidly debunked, while others hold up to the best debunking.

Let's keep the conversation going - all of the contributions have been excellent.

Whether or not we believe in something, I do think it's helpful to encourage entertaining the "what ifs" and "whys". I see strong arguments for the idea there is something going on other than a natural pandemic. So what could it be, and who could be behind it?

So many false-positive tests. I have no doubt if I had been tested a few times, I would have been positive once. These false-positives have been noted many times, even recently by Elon Musk who tested it himself.

My grandma who has been in a nursing home for the past couple of years was on the verge of death about 3 months ago and they quickly declared she had "covid". If she had died then, it would have been a "covid" death. Her issues were not covid related at all in any way. I can't count the examples I see of deaths being questionably marked as covid.

I do agree the lockdown measures have been unnecessary. For example here in Michigan it makes little sense why restaurants are closed yet again, and big crowded stores remain open.

My wild thinking side is coming to believe these measures are in place to create economic suffering and desperation to encourage the vaccine, which I do believe will eventually be mandatory for just about everyone. "To get back to normal, we must all be vaccinated".

So if this is some sinister plan, what is this vaccine really for? I think this is what more of the focus should really be on.

I also believe the opportunity is being seized to destroy our short-lived free sharing of information we've had on the internet since the late 90's. As we can see, social media is now outright banning people who share different points of view than what the media bias is portraying. We never in history before had the ability to do that, to share information or opinions publicly worldwide in such a way. If there are a group of elites who do run the moving world, you could imagine this is something they just can't have. To control the flow of information on the internet is something they must have, just like the TV screen. We are at the point where punishment is now beginning for those who share opposing opinions on the internet.

And if the world is really run by a group of elitists with unimaginable wealth and power, would they actually have the gall to toy with us and do something like what's currently going on? My answer is absolutely yes.

“In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to contribute something to solving overpopulation.” - Prince Philip, 1988

I'll see (saw) your Burr, and raise you some Carlin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHHqy3cNMuk

(And further echoing you Jim, I plan to reply, nay challenge some interesting points made recently, but later)

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Wow. If this is true it's huge:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/LLCwKkq1CtAJ/

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jdlaw wrote:



Really? I strongly suspest that this is more mainstream propaganda, as is the current deification of health workers. I'm reminded of a story this Summer when a guy in England went into his local hospital, filming with his mobile phone to prove that it was way more empty than full. Result: he was promptly arrested. Lauren Southern puts it very well in the timely video below (again, from BitChute; I like my news straight, not censored)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/8kntLVW3KRs/

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