Below is one of the most shameless efforts of setting a guest up I've come across - they even roped in the weather woman to take a swipe No huge surprise from Morgan, but so disappointing from Suzanna Reid. I used to really like her (not just because she's eye candy either, but the disrespect she showed to Piers Corbyn was quite something. The four of them basically lined up to bully their elderly guest on national T.V. (after he was roughed up by the police for daring to protest current restrictions). Anyone else think that these mainstream bullies are corporate shills? You don't have to agree with Mr. Corbyn's views to see that he was treated with disdain; there were making concerted efforts to portray him as a loony, a crackpot, not to be listened to (Like Dr. Shillary, reading from his script)

The one good thing about this is that even on their own site (with the possibility of shadow banning being in effect) there are more thumbs down than up. People are seeing through mainstream propaganda more and more these days. Fair play to Piers Corbyn for keeping his cool and not taking the bait, making their pathetic behaviour all the more opaque.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elf6h_K4JH0

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There is no spoon.

Some of this nonsense is capture well in a couple charts. First, take a look at the chart in this one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/04/27/covid-19-death-toll-undercounted/

Seems rather dramatic, right? But then, look at the scale - the spike in excess deaths is about 10000 against 55000, or 18%. But it sure doesn't look like an 18% spike, does it. That's call misleading statistics and charts. The conclusion is twofold:

1. Something is going on
2. It isn't as apocalyptic as the mainstream media and government would have you believe. It's 18%

Now look at this chart:



Through March, as the entire world locked down, there was barely a blip on the data. Admittedly, this is just one state, but it isn't that different in most places in the US, other than NYC. It isn't until 3 months later when the second wave hit that we see anything beyond the excess death increase that happened in the winter of 2017. And then, because this graph is full scale, it is very easy to see that 18% anomaly. So yeah, something is causing more deaths that usual, mostly in the elderly and those with serious medical issues. But does it warrant the level of panic, fear, lockdown, economic catastrophe, social isolation, emotional impact to children, etc. Sorry, I just don't see it.

Look I am sorry guys. You are all good online TUS friends of mind that I respect, but your willingness to turn away from all science just want to postulate about mass media hypnosis, then let's just say it —yes we are all subject to mass media mind manipulation.

But you are all taking it is an extra level in here on this one. f you want to throw all science in the garbage for your conspiracy theories, then just throw away REALITY altogether.

As for me, I know reality is a simulation, but while I am in it, this is the only reality I've got. So I'm making the best of it.

Science/Math tells us that for a good approximation:

Excess Deaths 2020 = Deaths 2020 - Average Deaths 2015-19

Of course we are not done with 2020 yet, so similarly you can look at specific time periods within those years.

Excess Deaths March-August 2020 = Deaths March-August 2020 - Average Deaths March-August 2015-19

Similar to Jim's chart above, we have organizations that track death in most of these countries. I am going to use the USA. It is widely accepted here and everywhere in the world that the death rates are spiking (during this whatever you want to call it - even if you do not believe in the pandemic).

So, now either your reality is lying to you, or you guys are just flat making $#!+ up.

The USA has suffered some 260,000 excess deaths in March-August 2020 than compared to deaths on average March-August for 2015-2019. And this is even though only 169,000 deaths occurred in people who tested positive for COVID-19 (coronavirus). (source CDC)

If you do not believe in the virus, then what you really need to be saying is that the CDC and math and science are all lying to you. The statistics say that people are dying at higher rates due to something. So, if you are going to go with conspiracy theory, please stop with the namby-pamby corporate takeover crap. Let's at least talk about alien take over or something interesting.

Not denying any science. In fact I think the media makes as much of a mess of science as conspiracy theorists do. Case in point - here in the US, a couple months ago the media was making a huge deal out of aerosolized Covid, with simulations of slip stream scenarios and all sorts of scary conclusions. None of it was based on a single real experiment. All they showed was that fluid dynamics works exactly the way science says it works. Real science would have done experiments based on viral load and real life scenarios. To my knowledge, there have still been no such experiments - everything else is simply conclusion by inference.

I fully believe that there is a nasty virus out there and that it has killed much more efficiently than the flu. Then again, SARs, MERS, and Ebola are even more efficient, right? So it can't just be about the deadliness of a pathogen. There are many more factors to consider.

I'm trying to put it in perspective and only have two points in this thread...

1. Piers Morgan and those on the panel are NOT scientists, but they acted like know-it-all jackals in that interview, attacking the interviewee unprofessionally.

2. It's all about the numbers and risk management. 200,000 is a lot of deaths. But over 2.8 million people die in the US each year, give or take. So, if it ends up being that excess deaths represent a 10% bump in US mortality (and, predominately among people with health problems) in 2020, does that warrant the level of response that the government has imposed? There is nothing in this question about facts, right or wrong, it is merely opinion. Factor in the loss of income, mental health, and possible physical health due to side effects of lockdown that impact the young and healthy. Consider that Sweden has the same mortality rate as the US without lockdown or mask enforcement. Or that Japan had a ridiculously low mortality without lockdown, but with voluntary mask usage.

Thought experiment - if a person in their 30s has a choice between accepting a .01% mortality risk or reducing that risk to .005% but completely losing their livelihood, what would they pick? Can't speak for everyone, but for me, I take more than that level of risk when I decide to take a job that requires me to drive on the freeway rather than find something of lesser pay where I can work from home and avoid the risk of dying in a car accident. I know a number of 20 and 30-somethings who would have preferred to keep their jobs, but they didn't get a choice - instead the government imposed drastic lockdown measures. Why? Because they are really trying to flatten the curve (which makes no sense if you have sufficient medical facilities), or save a few lives? Or is because they are worried about their place in history if they pick wrong?

Agree on all points, jdlaw. Thanks for sharing. To be honest, I know nothing about Piers Corbyn so I may have given him more slack than deserved. I just reacted to the bullying because I've seen it so many times by materialists like Michael Shermer and James Randi.

I'm seeing a disturbing trend recently and I'm afraid it's not getting enough attention due to vision being clouded by politics. The internet we all got to know so well, the open information and discussion, seems to be on it's last leg. All of the attention is now conglomerated into social media mega platforms and there they are starting to not only dictate what is "fact", but also punish those who go against it.

Is it so hard to understand the danger in that? If someone chooses to read an article on an off-shoot conspiracy website about the virus being a hoax or whatever topic it may be, they have a right to read it, they have a right to believe it, and they have a right to share it whether we agree with them or not. Once this becomes punishable, there becomes an irrevocable chain reaction of suppression that paves the way for a very dangerous future ahead.

I am not sure what's going on recently, but I find it both intriguing and alarming. In America at least, I feel safe saying the topic of the pandemic and the election go hand in hand. I have friends I know very well on both sides of the spectrum(love Donald Trump/hate Donald Trump. Believe the pandemic is planned/believe it's natural and the lockdown is good). I have friends who speak out one way because their significant other wouldn't stay with them if they disagreed. What I'm seeing, it's borderline madness. Never have I seen the thoughts of those around me so completely inundated with the same topic. Both sides of the spectrum say the exact same thing and they both say it with sincerity - "this is the most important election of our lifetime". My point in this paragraph is to outline the effect the "new" internet has on people's brains.

Hey out there,

Since the "Orange Menace" is no longer going to be the leader of the free world as of January 20, 2021, how do you think the 'New World Order" dialog is about to change?

If the criminal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York ends up getting stifled, we can expect a whole new media movement from the "Alpha Molester" "Agent Orange." I am sure we will be seeing more of him on Brietbart and infowars in the coming months, now that America's "Burst Appendix" has been excised.

I myself am very appreciative of the toned down political climate about the pandemic. Our governments have been leaning much more towards deliberate strategy balanced for "safe return" rather than "shut down" and "control."

Hopefully an end to the disinformation campaigns of a "Narcissist in Chief" will help tamp down this thing in the US so we can stop spreading to the rest of the world. As discussed in the threads herein, the "excess death rates" are pretty compelling that something was afoot more than just a shill. Does it mean that I do not see the "strangeness" of it all? Certainly no.

We had the Swine Flu and H1N1 and others recently. But this one in the age of the internet social media explosion is still the perfect storm. I feel like instead of moving inland, we all got so worked up that we decided to run to the beach to watch the hurricane come in.

Maybe we can now safely put ourselves back into the hands of the ordinary military-industrial complex and just wear the damn mask. "US Exceptionalism" on steroids was not good for this world during a pandemic. As pandemics go, the USA did not create it, but definitely should be blamed for its worsening.

The funny thing is that our attempt to deal with it during a modern information age actually ended up making it worse. More people died in the 1918 with the Spanish Flu outbreak, but the panic seems worse in 2020. I totally hold that "Cinnamon Hitler" responsible for politicizing this beyond recognition. I am thankful he and his minions are about to be gone from power.